I often see discussion about whether or not there really are tiered rejections at literary magazines. There are! Since I received a rejection letter this morning, I thought I’d share what I know as an editor. For ours, we use a simple content management system that allows us to collect and respond to submissions. It’s called Submissions Manager. I do not know how easy it is to customize the replies, but in our case we have four levels of rejection. Agni and One-Story also seem to use Submissions Manager (looks like One Story’s webmaster actually developed the software.). If a literary magazine’s submission page is plain with a small login in the top lefthand corner, and a registration page in the center; you are interfacing with (a/the/Mr./Ms?) Submissions Manager.
After I download and read a story and decide what I think about it, I have to switch the story’s status. I have four choices if I want to reject it, otherwise I can ‘accept’ or ‘withdraw’ it. (I don’t know what the accept button does!)
A standard rejection looks like this (ours is worded slightly differently):
Dear James McGirk:
Thank you for sending “The Godling of Greater Kailash.” Your work received careful consideration here.
We’ve decided this manuscript isn’t right for us, but we wish you luck placing it elsewhere.
Kind regards,
The Editors
That was from AGNI. I use this letter for almost all the submissions I read. Doesn’t mean anything really, just that I can’t use the story. Could mean it’s terrible — although most stories I get aren’t, and seem like they’ve been workshopped. Usually just means that the text didn’t grab me. More taste anything else. But if there is some horrid flaw, i.e. if the story is missing an arc, or it’s written in a different language I will send a standard rejection. But it really is almost always taste. (Or the aforementioned missing arc – and this can be emotional, or language based– the text just has to do something to me.)
The next stage is a second tier ‘nice’ rejection. I send more second-tier rejections than I should, the big difference being that we encourage these people to submit again (we are enormously backed up, so wanting to see anything more should be taken as a compliment). If I send one of these it means I enjoyed what I read. The story might not be perfect, but something about it was exciting. Here’s an example one from One-Story I received this morning (or at least I think it’s a 2nd tier rejection — these damn things stir up such conflicting emotions):
Dear James McGirk:
Thank you for sending us “The Godling of Greater Kailash”. We really enjoyed this piece, but we didn’t feel it was right for One Story.
We hope that you will continue to send us your work.
Sincerely,
The Editors of One Story
Now, I have neither sent out nor received a “very nice” third-tier rejection. These really are the same as the second-tier rejections, only more encouraging still… I don’t really know why I would send one of these instead of a “personal” 4th level or encouraging 2nd. Here is ours:
Thank you for sending us your work.
Unfortunately this particular manuscript was not the right fit for Columbia: A Journal of Literature and Art, but we were very impressed by your writing. We hope that you will feel encouraged by this short note and send us something else.
We look forward to reading more.
Sincerely,
The Editors of Columbia: A Journal of Literature and Art
I guess if we actually did want to see more, I could send one of these. But I would still rather send a fourth-tier rejection. These are just plain empty fields. I have used this feature to personally respond while rejecting a story. I basically said the story in question was great but it was too long, and I would love to see a shorter story. I published the second story he sent me.
Dear XXX
XXXXXX
Sincerely,
XXXXXX
And so there you have it… the four tiers of rejection….
I fixed a few typos! Thanks for the link, LROD
I have received all of those rejections from various lit mags, and I’ve often assumed #2 is actually the baseline standard rejection (and maybe it is for some journals). I guess I try not to assume it’s a tiered rejection unless I’m sure of it. Sometimes, for example, a journal will send me rejection #1, but then my next story will get rejection #3 from them, so I can safely assume it’s tiered.
Interesting that you so rarely or never choose the third option…I have gotten quite a few of those this year.
Definitely could be the baseline for other journals. Maybe other, more polite journals, have ‘nice,’ ‘very nice,’ and ‘personal;’ or perhaps don’t have personalized rejection letters…
Certainly sounds like you’re doing something right though! Good luck with your submissions.
I did a quick search, my One Story rejections don’t feature the second paragraph you had, so that’s definitely a second-tier rejection. I’ve gotten tiered rejections from Fence and Crazyhorse (or at least had two different rejections come in), along with a handwritten please submit again on a paper rejection from Missouri Review.
I just spent a bit of time digging through my e-mail rejections in my newly cleaned and organized gmail archive from my writing e-mail account. I turned up another apparently tiered rejection from Boston Review. This brings up that particular story’s record to 8 form, 2 second-tier. I had pushed that story into my give up on it pile before I found the first of the two tiered rejections. I think it clearly deserves another look.
Those standard rejections are so taste-based, I wouldn’t ever throw them out if I were you… it’s just the default ‘no,’ it could mean anything.
I wonder if it would be better if people responded with a rating out of 10. That would hurt feelings, but might convey more information
I really don’t know why I was so down on this particular story. I’m still fine with other stories which have gotten nothing but form rejections. Actually, this story was something that I pulled out of my archives and rewrote after realizing that I had trunked it after a single rejection—a personalized one from Story Quarterly, no less.
On the other hand, a story currently getting some revisions has to be cursed. Prior to this round of revisions, I had 10 form rejections plus the only three non-answers since I returned to writing four years ago.
Sounds like you must be getting close. You ought to try writing a novel and pitching it to agents, they have a financial motive for hunting down and accepting new work. It might be easier than selling a short story to a lit mag.
Hey! I just got a personalized rejection too, my first ever! From Electronic Literature.
i got one of those 3rd tier onces from third coast.
great blog by the way- as someone who spends hours a week, reading the tea leaves of duotrope and rejection letters – your explanation is manna. anything that helps us understand whats going on behind the curtain is much appreciated.
you should link this page to the Poets & Writers, Speakeasy forum. people there are always asking about this stuff.
thanks
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Thanks for reading! And congrats on the third tier rejection
im hoping to get a 4 tiered one from columbia: 😉
speed it up mcgirk
My reign is over (and has been for all practical purposes since December) but they’ll get to it! (You could also try submitting again at the start of the school year)
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Yes, Columbia takes a while. I’ve had one there for over 400 days…is that a good thing ? or is it lost ?
🙂
I’d really love to know.
TC
It could mean a) they liked your story and it’s being held onto b) they rejected it and your spam filters caught the message c) somehow it slipped through the cracks. I wouldn’t worry about any one magazine’s judgement. Better to submit broadly and simply ignore any rejections or ambiguous not-rejections. A successful writer pal read this and told me: ‘they either want your story or they don’t.’ I’ve also heard – and my experience as a freelancer bears this out – that ‘good news travels quickly’.
Sorry about the delay!
well i’ll hold out hope for the former. i.e. its being held.
according to the submission manager its still in ‘received’ status.. so i hope that means its not lost.
and i sent them a query over a week ago with no response… i have no idea what that means.
😛
Everyone is on summer break now, so followup is sloppy. If it’s been over 400 days, I would write it off. My trick is that for rejection I get I send out two more submissions! You can’t fixate on any one publication. Lots of times issues are all spoken for in advance (i.e. all of the fiction slots have been filled) so you’re sunk before you even submit. Just keep trying and never ever take rejection personally. The way to read these levels is that if you get a pattern of 2s and 3s, you’re probably writing something that a literary journal might want. En masse they’re useful, but the opinion of any one editor is worthless. It’s worth hanging in there, I just ‘sold’ my first story!
– and mind you, this acceptance comes after an MFA and 10 years of journalism experience…
wow ! congrats on that acceptance!
and thanks for the advice.
Thanks. This was really helpful.
My pleasure!